Personal Conditioning - a conversation

H: jst read ur comment...
nose piercing strange to nahi

P: maybe strange is not the right word but then it is something similar
and again it is a personal choice
some like it some don’t

H: haan thts true..
its a personal choice...
bt haan for sure il not get a streak of blue hair:P

P: :)it was your idea not mine - i just quoted what u wrote

H: it wasnt meant for me - the idea was to do something diff to giv urself a new look

P: looks can be deceptive
so dont go by looks :P
waise I think blue streak is better than nose ring
somehow nose piercing doesn't appeal to me
and i didnt mean to hurt or upset u

H: I know
its one of the traditional pieces of jewelley in india

P: i know its traditional but still it doesn't appeal to me
it gives a gaon type feeling
dehati types
and its not bad but then seeing my frnds with nose rings doesn't go well with me
you can say its the mindset

H: yeh to perception hai - ki its dehaati

P: true
but then didn't u have it too some time back

H: yes - bt not anymore

P: maybe my perception will change sometime

H: :) thts wat i wrote on d blog ...perceptions change bhi hote hain

P: hote to hai
but kai baar nahi bhi hote hai:)

H: tht depends on social conditioning

P: not entirely
a lot of self conditioning is also involved

H: self is social too

P: i wld disagree to that

H: You are what social conditioning makes you

P: again disagree
you are brought up in a certain way and become the person you are from how you have grown

H: why do u say so
bringing up is part of social conditioning

P: now once you start understanding the outside world and become a part of it, get more exposure
this exposure makes you think abt what u already know
there are clashes
sometimes you feel what u already know is true
at other times you feel the things u know are wrong and the one you just learned is correct
there is change in your mindset
but the basic thing is your own belief and how much you stand strong with what you believed in so far
if your beliefs aren't that firm you get easily influenced by outside world
if your beliefs are firm you tend to stick to it

H: the outside world you are referring to, is the social conditioning
beliefs and values and ethics - again form from social conditioning

P: what you are taught is social conditioning
what you believe in is personal conditioning
which includes this is what I believe in and will stick to it
social conditioning and personal conditioning keep clashing

H: u dont learn like machine learning in social conditions
personal conditioning jaisi cheez hoti hi nahi

P: why do you say so ??????

H: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_conditioning

P: u see the point i am making
u believe in something which is stated
and since you dont find another thing which isn't stated u dont believe in it
it doesn't have to be a word or thing but it is the concept
maybe you would like to use words like behavior or culture or moral

H: the point im making - the perceptions are a product of our conditioning

P: lets take the example of nose piercing
we didn't like it sometime back
and i believe we weren't ever told explicitly that it is good thing or badn
ow your perception towards it has changed and mine hasn't
the factors more or less remained the same
what wld u call it?????

H: again the same thing social conditioning
try reading some artciles on social conditioning and operant conditioning
and the pavlov's dog experiment

P: will read that
chal let me give another example
claiming HRA
there are ppl claiming false HRA using jali receipts and signatures
every year in january you see ppl do that
some ppl also start doing so while others don't
what wld u call this??????

H: so thts a question of belief systemand value system

P: and what if i refer it as personal conditioning
how you have conditioned yourself